To CPL, I've been on the market as an abd and as a postdoc, and I'm not even sure it makes a difference! As a postdoc one year I got 1 interview and as an abd the year before I got 6. So who knows...I'd recommend going on early, if for no other reason than that it gives you practice in crafting letters etc. You can give a job talk at places you aren't super invested in knowing that you have another year or two on the market, so if you blow it, you get another chance or two.
I'm the one who asked about the colorado college job.
I didn't mean to pressure anyone. I apologize for giving off that impression.
It's just that I was holding out for that job because it was the only job posting that really fit me. I've got decent credentials (school, publishing, teaching), but I didn't even get an email from them. I'm in a bit of a melt down phase right now. This job market process is a little more difficult than I thought.
2:55 - I'm also with the others who responded. There's no pressure here, and asking for information is why we're here. The OP even included the out in the post (which I thought was unnecessarily kid-glovish in the first place!)
3:39 - I'm also a perfect fit for what CC said they wanted. In fact, the ad asked for one or the other and I'm both; I thought it was written for me and they didn't call. I thought if they didn't call me, no one would.
FWIW, I'm a VAP at a low-prestige school, I have one solo pub at a low-prestige specialized journal (but one they might like if they're looking for what they said) and an R&R at a mid-ranked but also specialized journal, lots of teaching and adequate (I thought) demonstration of good teaching. Moreover, I was really excited about their block system - and said so - and from where I sat, I thought I'd fit like a glove. I did suspect that CC's research culture might be too close to an R1 to consider me without more prestigious pubs, though.
Care to share your situation so we can dish together about how at least one of us really should have gotten a shot? :)
2:59 - I don't know what a "soft year" means. I applied when I was ready to take a job - when I was about to defend my dissertation. This is my second year on the market, my first with PhD in hand.
4:59 - It sounds like you deserved your shot more than I did, then, since I've no fear of being recognized. ;) I'm sorry.
And I hadn't thought about it before, but I might hypothesize that those of us who viewed ourselves as the perfect fit for the ad might also be more likely to be interested in a job at a school like CC. Here I was thinking the competition might be slightly less stiff for such a specialized position, when it may well have been that we all *wanted* that one more intensely than usual and thus poured more into our applications.
But of course, it's an empirical question...
Good luck to you! (I admit that I reserve most of my best wishes for fellow qualitative and micro folks.)
Please keep your ears to the ground regarding that UCLA Soc/Center for Society and Genetics job. It's an open rank search. There's probably not a ton of people applying, so if you hear something, please post about it. My guess is that a very senior person will probably get the job and thus, I will not hear about it directly, if anonymously, here. The deadline was Oct 01.
For those of you who are gutted about Colorado College (or NYU, or any of the departments who have made short lists or scheduled interviews), one of my advisors made an important comment. Just because a place has scheduled interviews doesn't mean we should cross them off our list. They might not like any of the candidates they flew out and may dip back into the pool of applicants to bring out more. Don't count yourself out until you get a letter saying to count yourself out! Hang in there, fellow seekers. This is a marathon - not a sprint.
5:12 -- My advisor had the exact same advice. It ain't over until the contracts are all signed.
More sympathizing with the Colorado College people. Sometimes I want to call schools and say "but I'm perfect for you!!" I've been warned that such an act would betray my desperation though.
I'm an ABD. I'll have 3 chapters done by the end of this semester. This is not a soft year for me though - I hit the market hard.
Belmont has scheduled at least one phone interview. (not me)
Exactly. It ain't over til someone signs the contract. I was out last year (softly then, hardcore now, ABD on 2nd draft of diss.), and got an invite for one of the jobs many that I applied to, but the process stretched out for additional months after that because the committee reached back into the pool and invited a couple more candidates. So unless you've received a rejection letter...it ain't over til it's over!
Re the Temple (med soc) short list. I didn't leave the "X", but their department was scheduled to meet today (10/17/07) to determine candidates to invite for interview. Going in to that meeting, they had a list of about a dozen "finalists". Hang in there.
I was going to update the Wiki to reflect some news I received, but it appears that the shortlist, request for more materials and phonelist sections are all "currently being edited by someone else" so they can't be changed - is someone really updating them, or did someone not save the last changes made? (BTW, my news is that I got an email from Loyola-Chicago requesting more materials and a phone interview because I'm on the shortlist there.)
Hopefully those who have news will continue to post it here until the wiki problem is solved. Jamming the wiki wouldn't really prevent the flow of information, just annoy us by making the news less organized.
I see that Santa Clara is scheduling phone interviews. Oh well. I thought I was a perfect fit. However, I admit that at the ASA interview, the Chair seemed to like me while the new asst prof who was with her seemed bent on trying to make me look stupid. I guess hu succeeded.
Anyone heard anything about USC's timeline? The deadline is coming up and I wonder if they're reviewing applications as they go or will only start reviewing next week.
Someone added Iowa State to the wiki as scheduling phone interviews, but there are no Xs next to it? Did someone from the school post it, or did someone who applied there actually get a call from them?
A while back (two days ago?) someone asked about who is looking for jobs...if only 70 people read the Wiki but some jobs get over 200 applicants. I've never met a job seeker who even knows about the Wiki. The job applicants I have seen include everyone from 'I've just defended my proposal' folks, barely ABDS, to 'I have my degree in a different field, and I have tenure at X University, but I really want to move to a new school.' Some applicants are wholly unqualified (only have a MA and are not getting a PhD imminently) or have been out on the market for years and have no publications, no professionalization, and no concept of what a tenure track job would actually entail. When you get to the part of the pool where there are qualified candidates, it's tougher to see exactly who wouldn't work for the position, but SCs are looking for only one thing to use to disqualify you.
7:11, you sound like you have some experience on search committees. What are examples "one thing" that would disqualified applicants who still seem like they would fit (and made it to a list of top 20 for example). Thanks!
thanks for posting this! i had assumed that any opening that received 200 applications was looking at 200 candidates who were late-stage ABD or Phd in sociology with some kind of publications.
it makes me feel a lot better to know that at least some applicants aren't really qualified.
this is very true...many applicants are not qualified. i've been on several searches (3 in recent years), and from those experiences, i'd estimate roughly 15% of applicants aren't even close to being qualified. they've been ABD for 15 years (with no intentions to finish), only have MAs, have degrees in other disciplines, etc. of those who have decent credentials, probably another 15% don't have the appropriate specialization asked for in the ad. sure their letter tries to frame them as being in the field, but their pubs and presentations clearly locate them in other specialties. as you can see, that rules out LOADS of applicants. this all takes place before we even consider which dept they come from...
Did a lot of people have the UCSF medical job ad mailed to them along with a letter? Anybody know why that happened? I'd love to apply for that job, but I don't meet the stated requirements.
I also got the UCSF posting + letter. I am also not qualified for the job. It is not my area at all. I have no idea how they got my address. I use my university address on my CV and the letter came to my home. The only place I can think they might have gotten mine is from PAA.
Hey all, Would the person who listed Eckerd on the wiki be willing to share how they know they are on the "short list"? Did you get something in the mail, an email? Were you invited for a phone interview or an on-campus interview? Looks like I am in for another bummer of a day ...
To the person who posted a second 'interview' X for University of Kentucky - Were you just recently contacted, or were you contacted a while back? I'm just wondering if UK has scheduled all of their first round interviews, or if they're being scheduled incrementally.
For those of you who have experience on search committees, how common is it for a school to not like any of the 3-4 candidates they initially bring in for an interview and/or have none of the 3-4 candidate accept the offer? Since I have been in grad school, this has never happened in my department (top 25). Everyone on this blog keeps saying not to give up hope and that this is a long process. But, if the school already has their top 4, and statistics show us that one of those four almost always gets hired, then I would say we need to be more realistic about our hopes. Just wondering what experiences people have had with this. Thanks!
I'm at a top 5, and there have been at least 3 instances where I remember the top choices getting jobs elsewhere and the department invited a couple more people or when went with someone lower on the list from the invitees.
I know from personal experience too that sometimes search committees have issues with those they invite and dip back into the pool, so keep the faith.
I am also at a Top-5 and to my knowledge we have not brought in more people after the initial 2-3 interviews. We've had cases in which an offer was rejected, but the department either extends the offer to one of the other people who interviewed or closes the position without hiring anyone.
I concur with 7:45am. It is pretty rare (I can't remember ever seeing places dip back into the pool). I certainly wouldn't hold out hope for a place that has already scheduled interviews.
I think the place to hold out hope is if you interview, but aren't the top pick--because at that point, your odds are still decent that they will be turned down.
I'm at a top 5 and for the past 2 yrs we had to dip back into the pool either because we brought in superstars that went elsewhere or because the superstars bombed. In the past years, several of our students got interviews that led to jobs at top-5 departments in late Jan/Feb because their first round candidates fell through. I don't know how common this is but it does not seem uncommon to me.
Hi everyone- I have a request and a reminder. Those of you who are interested in, and hearing from smaller schools, please do post news here and on the wiki. I got the great news of a phone interview the other day, but I was reluctant to post it on the wiki until someone else mentioned the school here. I was reluctant to post because it is a small school that many people may not have heard of- it certainly isn’t a big-name-R1 school.
Not all of us are “super stars”, nor are we all looking to have jobs at big-name-R1s- or even R2s. But our job searches are just as important to us. So, those of you in this same boat- Please don’t refrain from posting your news and questions too!
In the last few days, this has begun to happen more (yay!, although it does mean negative news for me, its helpful to know).
8:22 - I ask all the time about small schools and wonder why the rest of you aren't posting! There are 5 Xes on Willamette phone interview list, but no conversation here. There are people here dying to hear about the smaller schools, me included.
So...after all that...you didn't tell us where you got the phone interview! Was it Willamette? Congratulations, in any case!
I see that Cornell is listed as having scheduled interviews. Where did this information come from? There are no Xs listed, so I assume this is someone who is affiliated with the search committee or has some other form of inside info...? If so, any news on when the interviewees will be informed?
Folks will emerge from the midst with info when they are ready. I know I waited a week to put down my "X" for a phone interview because I was worried what the search committee might think if they knew that I went and blabbed asap.
Once people make it to the top 10-20, they might worry about outing themselves.
It's a shame that we have to keep our cards close to our vest (for instance, I'd love to tell the SC that I talked with that I would *LOVE* to work there), but that is the way it goes with negotiations. I might get a better offer somewhere else. Or, I may not like their offer and stay in grad school for another year.
In any event, it's a small world, and everyone is worried about divulging too much info.
What I'm really after is whether the person who posted that is someone is a fellow job-seeker who is just waiting to "emerge from the midst," as you so poetically put it, or if they are just a kind SC member who is sympathetic to our insatiable need for data. If no one responds to my query, I'll assume the former.
As I understand it, the first person who schedules an interview just puts the name of the school in the appropriate category. And then, as more people schedule interviews, they add their "X" next to the school. So, a school name with one "X" actually signifies two people.
However, just because I operate by these rules, does not mean that others do.
can somebody clarify what additional materials greensboro asked.
and also how come that washington state is scheduling interviews, I thought their review will start on Oct., 20. at least that is what they say on the ad.
uh oh. I thought that the school name was knowledge, and the X was if you were one of the people contacted. So I added a school name with an X when I scheduled an interview.
I also concur with 9:51. That way, if you hear about someone else getting an interview somewhere, you can put the place on the list. Then, anyone who actually has one themselves can add the X. That should increase the flow of information.
"if you hear about someone else getting an interview somewhere, you can put the place on the list. Then, anyone who actually has one themselves can add the X."
Re: 10/18/07 7:07-8:14 AM about whether schools only look at their top 3 or 4 and not further down the list.
Keep in mind that like other markets, the academic job market in practice does not always operate rationally. A search is an enormous task, and Depts and SCs are often stretched to their limits in managing everything involved.
Example 1: One year I received a rejection letter from a top 5 R1. OK, but I had never applied there.
Example 2: In a different year when I WAS on the market, around November I received a rejection letter from School A. Then, the following January I was invited to inteview at School A. By February they'd made me a firm offer.
Having seen searches operating from the inside, SCs, faculty and candidates can be capricious. Depts reject candidates for all kinds of reasons that may be unrelated to ability or fit. And "star" candidates may withdraw from consideration at schools when they get more nibbles from "better" schools. (In fact, the sooner you withdraw, the better. Some depts get stuck with plane fares for no-show candidates. Like elephants, faculty have long memories of such ill treatment!)
Depts usually won't endlessly interview down their long list of candidates, simply because interviews are expensive (in time and $). But depts may have some more leeway if they're filling multiple positions.
"Example 1: One year I received a rejection letter from a top 5 R1. OK, but I had never applied there."
That is f**king hilarious. How on earth did that happen. I wonder... were you thinking about applying and then the letter was sent in effect saying 'don't even think about it'. Or perhaps (in time for Halloween) you had a doppleganger...
Hey all, Sorry if this is a repeat post (It doesn't seem that my earlier post appeared and now I have a screaming toddler on my leg so I can't really double-check). I am curious about the U of Minnesota post on the Wiki. I received an email from them asking for any addl mats to support my application, but I read it as a form email (to begin with, it read "Dear Applicant"). It seems, however, that others are reading the correspondence differently. Any thoughts on which read is correct?
The letter I got from Oregon says they plan to contact finalists on or around October 25, conduct interviews before Thanksgiving, and complete the search before winter break.
They also wrote that "if your calendar is filling up with invitations to visit different departments, please let me know."
It seems we still lack consensus on UOregon. (A) Which position is at the interview stage? (B) What are we to make of the recent letter they sent saying that finalists would be notified on or around 10/25? Thanks.
I don't know what positions Oregon had open, but I'm the one who got the letter saying they would short-list around Oct. 25. The position I had applied for was open.
Minnesota sent a generic email telling applicants that they could add supplements to their file before October 22, such as additional writing samples.
What some people on another thread are trying to figure out is if EVERYONE who applied got this email or if it is a request for more from those they are interested in.
In there anyone who applied to the Minnesota RACE/ETHNICITY/MIGRATION job who did NOT get this email today?
Did a phone interview recently...odd experience to say the least. It went fine, I think, but who really knows. How is everyone else's phone interviews going?
I don't know how you all feel, but this blog is making the market seem even harder and more emotional taxing because some information just seems so unreliable. Yet it's hard not to keep checking! I propose the following: since some people suggested that the threads are not as followed as the wiki, let's flag on the wiki the positions for which there is high uncertainty with a !. Then we add a line to the wiki begging whoever has been contacted to put an X to confirm that people are actually been contacted/interviewed etc. Too complicated?
4:38...sounds good to me. I am suprised at Iowa State for one given that I have been in contact with someone on the search committee and said person told me that they would not start contacting people for a couple of weeks. Anyone who has info to the contrary, please spill...
Someone on the blog posted that all candidates from NYU were contacted and yet only 1 X on interviews. Same of Indiana Bloomington. Chicago has had two X's for weeks now. And none for Cornell.
I still wonder if all short-listed candidates are all contacted at once or schools are doing a few at a time--i.e. moving on the super-stars first and then moving down the list...
It seems like all the people who got the form letter from Oregon (saying that they'd contact finalists around Oct.25) applied to the open position. Did anyone apply to the race/ethnic position and get a letter? Did it say anything different?
just an FYI, regarding the "why so many applications, not so many people marking off the Wiki" question from earlier: I've heard from several folks (in different departments, mind you) that they don't check/participate in the blog, even though they know about it, because it is an "added stress to an already incredibly stressful process" (paraphrasing :)). So anecdotal info for you all (I'll be on the market next year, not this year), but hopefully helpful to explain the discrepancy in numbers.
About two weeks ago Michigan State requested letters from some applicants for their Quant Methods position. Does anyone know what their timeline for this one looks like?
I applied to the Minnesota migration job, and didn't get an e-mail about adding materials until the 22nd. Did people who received the e-mail already e-mail them evidence of teaching effectiveness and/or are you sure all your letters have arrived?
I was the one who posted on wiki about Minnesota asking for more materials. I had the impression that it was a form letter, but had similar thoughts to 3:55 in another thread and that's why I added it on wiki. Sorry about the confusion, folks! I've added "FORM LETTER" there to clarify, but if you think it would be less confusing to just delete it, please do!
apropos to 6:02... i followed this blog and the wiki last year. i have to say that this year there is a much higher degree of probing for information (and policing in reaction), only to produce slightly more unrealiable data from which to draw conclusions that diminish the 'help and support' and churn up the stress. the wiki-only approach is beoming more desirable. in the end, they either call or they don't, regardless of blogs and wikis!
quick question: if the person who updated the wiki could clarify, is the George Mason STS job listed as asking for more information the New Media/Cultural Studies job with a Nov. 12 deadline? Or is there a different STS job there (that I apparently missed)?
I took the ! off the wiki for SUNY Albany (comparative) because I can confirm that they do have a short list and have started scheduling interviews. As for the CJ position, they have also started scheduling interviews. They are bringing one candidate in for a job talk on Monday.
I know a lot of us worry about the accuracy of blog info. For the most part I think its reasonably accurate, just off by a day or two sometimes. One thing I will say regarding the Oregon job which now has a ! next to it on the 'scheduling interviews' list: I suspect that Oregon was moved onto the list after someone got the form letter that all applicants received, and then mis-interpreted it. This form letter was exhaustively discussed above in this thread. I think that problems arise at times because some people only read the blog intermittedly and then don't have full info when they report things. Not sure what to do about this, except to ask that people are careful and specific (when possible) in their contributions.
I followed the blog and wiki last year also. While I derived morepersonal enjoyment from enjoyed last year's, I'm finding this one more helpful practically, precisely becuase of the focus on information-sharing, however unreliable it is.
I can't answer the question about the Minnesota job. I'm too busy convincing myself that I could still be in the running even though I didn't get one of those emails.
We are a needy bunch ("have you heard about....?"), but we mean well.
Some folks are turned off by the policing, but I think it is pretty mild. Don't name names, don't demand, and don't snap at folks, and you'll get along fine here.
We may complain about the accuracy of the available data, but there are so few other alternatives, what are we going to do? Our dataset is being collected by others, and we are trying to analyze it the best we can.
I think the policy of having only the person who has an interview (or who has been asked for more materials, etc.) put an X on the wiki is a little counterproductive. I think people are afraid of outing themselves as blabbers. What if we changed the policy so that you didn't have to be the very person asked, but you could put an X for someone else based on knowledge? I'd prefer over-reporting to under-reporting. Also, it would provide more confidence that the information is right. For example, if someone were to put an X for Oregon right now, we'd have much more confidence in the accuracy of the report that interviews have been scheduled. What do you all think?
I am with you. In any case, schools tend to schedule all the interviews all at once, which makes the number of interviews reported on the wiki kind of irrelevant.
10:41- that defeats the whole purpose of somebody not wanting to out themselves. I agree that the number of Xs doesnt matter. Once one X is there, you know interviews have been scheduled. Thats all we really need to know to cross that place off our list.
I do not find the X's helpful. It doesn't matter to me whether a short-list has 3 names on it or 30 - only whether it has my name on it! So if I see a school listed on the wiki and I applied there and I haven't heard anything, I assume my name's not on their list.
Although really, I can assume that I'm everyone's first pick and they're all just waiting for me to get nervous so they can low-ball their offer. Nothing I guess is going to change anything and none of us really know anything at all until we hear from a school personally or the school hires someone and that information becomes public.
what if there was another way of giving information? for example, i'm at a hiring school and know for a fact that X people are scheduled to come talk (department email) but no one has "X"ed themselves on the sheet. i'm not going to put "X"s down for people but could info people know on the side be added in brackets?
We don't. They were most likely posted by someone with inside knowledge (faculty or student at that school?) or by someone with a friend who got notified. If it's inside knowledge - a school may have a long short list, but the people on it may have no idea.
Don't totally write off a school until you get rejected from them, but the wiki is still pretty helpful in adjusting expectations.
In my POV, I don't despair until the school goes up under 'scheduled interviews.' I see very few circumstances under which that information could be erroneous, other than malicious intent, which I doubt. The rest, though, short lists and such, who knows about that, for the reasons the above poster gives.
The email explicitly invited the submission of additional material, "especially additional writing samples." It was NOT a request for the required teaching material or letters, which they indicated they already received.
7:40, There are multiple opening for Chicago (up to 4 open positions). So it is possible that they are gradually trying to interview people for each of those positions. There might even be different search committees, each looking into a particular area. So 4 scheduled interviews is not necessarily contradictory to 3:10's post.
Any additional info on U Mass Amherst? I saw on the Wiki that they've scheduled interviews-- anyone know if they are doing it gradually (since they have multiple positions).
In support of 7:40: Chicago does *not* have multiple search committees, and they are not just evaluating people for one position at a time. It's an open search. So, my sense is that if they like the first four interviewees, they'll fill their (assistant) positions from that initial pool.
Thanks for the useful information about Chicago. I think it's also helpful to keep in mind that if they really want to fill all four spots, they'll be scheduling more interviews. It's highly likely that the first four people they're interviewing will have choices and preferences that lead them elsewhere.
Dartmouth's deadline was a month ago. I've just assumed they've contacted some folks (not me). To tell the truth, I'd rather _not_ know the status of that search. Too depressing.
So...what's up with Amherst? I see that it's been removed from the interviews list on the wiki. Maybe whoever put it on and/or took it off can explain? It's making me wonder (and hope!) about the status of some of the other schools that are reported to have scheduled interviews.
I have a question regarding anonymity. Isn't it possible to figure out the IP address of people who posted? If so, can't people figure out the university or town that you are posting from?
I saw that UNC-Wilmington had scheduled phone interviews. Two questions: 1) Is it the crim or open position? 2) There is no "X" next to the post, so is this information posted by someone other than the person being interviewed?
On the issue of "interviews scheduled": several years ago I got a call from a SLAC - they said they were unhappy about the choice they were facing from among the people they had interviewed, and they wanted me to get on a plane *the next day* and come out for an interview. (This was to be a cross-country flight.) I doubt this happens very often, but it does show that "interviews scheduled" is not always the end of the matter for those of you who haven't heard.
In the end, I didn't get the job - it worked out they were happy with (only) one already interviewed person, but they didn't want to be "forced" into hiring him, they wanted to be able to make an active choice. I was bummed - I went out there with the impression that the job was mine as long as I didn't bomb.
Anyway, the other lesson is, don't wait to prepare your job talk until you have an invitation.
In re: Wilmington. They didn't say, but I'm a crim person, so I'll bet it's crim. As for the X, I'll admit being confused about these. I was operating under the assumption that being the first to list a department was equivalent to an X, and that seeing one X next to a name meant two people had been contacted...
I've also been contacted by Wilmington, and I am not a crim person. So they are probably pursuing both lines at the same time. I'll go put my X now. -Benny
I'm also a non-crim who is scheduling a phone interview at UNCW. Strange - they didn't give me an interview at the ASA, and I almost didn't send my materials.
A general question--do schools always notify candidates on their short lists (or "long-short" lists as the case may be), especially under circumstances where extra materials are NOT needed?
Nope--we had 25 on our long-short-list, and only some of them were notified (those missing letters). Then we had 10 on the short list and they weren't notified, either. Just the 3 we're bringing in.
I'm not sure if it's better to know that you got close; or not to know at all--??
If you have any question about the competition we are up against this year, check out UPenn's line up of faculty job candidate talks (talks scheduled starting late Oct-Nov.). They have only call in advanced Assist Profs. who've been out of school for 5-6 yrs. It is a bit disheartening when you realize that's who we're coming up against.
At Penn, it looks like there are only two job talks scheduled into the colloquium so far; one of them is clearly for the demography position and the other one looks like it's for the race/family/culture position. Last year the search in Demography was limited to Associates even though the search was listed as "open rank".
Wasn't the Penn deadline supposed to be 10/31? Isn't it exceedingly unethical to not only notify candidates but to schedule interviews to be held before your deadline has passed?
I don't think it's unethical at all. It would be problematic if they gave an offer, but not to narrow the field before the closing date. It happens all the time. Once again, get your applications in early. My advisor said the first week of September for all of them, regardless of the closing date. That's turned out to have been invaluable advice.
On the Penn sociology colloquium website, two dates used to read "faculty job candidates" and now have names attached. Penn also began scheduling interviews before the closing date last year; I don't think that they have candidates in mind, but they have very clear ideas of the subject areas that they are looking for.
Not to scare people, but I just had a "narrowing the shortlist down to three people" phone interview, and the faculty member I spoke with said that one of the other candidates already had an OFFER from somewhere else. Yikes! (However, the faculty member also said that the school's doing two searches (in different subfields), and they haven't even started looking at applicants for the second search yet...)
first of all, congratulations! But this is actually good news for everyone, the market is only going to open up once the top candidates make their picks!
Anyone know anything about UMass-Amherst. The wiki says they have scheduled interviews, but there are no Xs. Given that they are hiring for up to four positions, I would expect to see some Xs if they have really scheduled interviews.
there are 3 reasons that can explain why there no X's after Umass@Amherst. (1) none of the people scheduled for interviews wants post this information; (2) none of the people scheduled for interviews reads the blog (3) the information on the wiki is wrong.
I think we can reasonably reject case 3, since that will seem too cruel to be true.
Does it really make a difference to know why the X's are not there? What kind of reliability this blog is supposed to have? That is, how should we use the information the blog gives not for commiserating ourselves but for having a sense of what is going on in the market?
I don't think that is the case with NC State. I know two people who were asked for more materials (writing samples). One was emailed and told they were on the shortlist/asked if they were still interested and the other hasn't heard anything else.
UNC Wilmington got ~215 applications. The phone interviews seem to be primarily a way to get more "basic" info from candidates. i.e. they asked to have the rec letters sent. Given that, I imagine they have a long-short list. They are planning to move onto the next phase of the search at the end of November, so hold tight.
If you look at the website now, it clearly states who is an invited candidate. One of them is an ABD who looks like he would fit the race/culture/family job [and writes about pigeons!], so it seems they have moved before their deadline even passed!
Regarding UNC-Wilmington, the email I got said that they have settled on a smaller pool of applicants for both of their positions. They have one crim and one open. Is there a way we could split it up on the wiki to identify which people are phone-interviewing for which position. Obviously if you have a crim concentration, you would be interviewing for the crim job, and if you don't, you would be interviewing for the open position. I wont make any changes unless others agree.
I took University of Oregon off the wiki. I messaged a friend there and s/he says that they are still working on a shortlist. From that, I would imagine the information in the letters sent to applicants is correct and we should see some stuff later this week (Oct 25ish?)
4:31 and others...I separated UNC Wilmington. All of the Xs are under the open position right now. Anyone who thinks they are interviewing for the crim job, please change your X to the crim listing. I am interviewing for the open position.
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 2327 Newer› Newest»To CPL, I've been on the market as an abd and as a postdoc, and I'm not even sure it makes a difference! As a postdoc one year I got 1 interview and as an abd the year before I got 6. So who knows...I'd recommend going on early, if for no other reason than that it gives you practice in crafting letters etc. You can give a job talk at places you aren't super invested in knowing that you have another year or two on the market, so if you blow it, you get another chance or two.
The letter of rejection from Cornell came as an actual, snail-mail letter.
I'm the one who asked about the colorado college job.
I didn't mean to pressure anyone. I apologize for giving off that impression.
It's just that I was holding out for that job because it was the only job posting that really fit me. I've got decent credentials (school, publishing, teaching), but I didn't even get an email from them. I'm in a bit of a melt down phase right now. This job market process is a little more difficult than I thought.
2:55 - I'm also with the others who responded. There's no pressure here, and asking for information is why we're here. The OP even included the out in the post (which I thought was unnecessarily kid-glovish in the first place!)
3:39 - I'm also a perfect fit for what CC said they wanted. In fact, the ad asked for one or the other and I'm both; I thought it was written for me and they didn't call. I thought if they didn't call me, no one would.
FWIW, I'm a VAP at a low-prestige school, I have one solo pub at a low-prestige specialized journal (but one they might like if they're looking for what they said) and an R&R at a mid-ranked but also specialized journal, lots of teaching and adequate (I thought) demonstration of good teaching. Moreover, I was really excited about their block system - and said so - and from where I sat, I thought I'd fit like a glove. I did suspect that CC's research culture might be too close to an R1 to consider me without more prestigious pubs, though.
Care to share your situation so we can dish together about how at least one of us really should have gotten a shot? :)
2:59 - I don't know what a "soft year" means. I applied when I was ready to take a job - when I was about to defend my dissertation. This is my second year on the market, my first with PhD in hand.
3:59,
I can't dish too much without revealing myself. But, to be honest, I knew a lot of folks who read that job announcement thought "that's me!"
For qual folks, there are so few announcements just for us. It's just depressing.
This is just a commiseration posting. I didn't apply for the Colorado College job, but I know EXACTLY what you're feeling. And it's not good.
3:18 -
thanks, that makes a lot of sense.
-cpl
4:59 - It sounds like you deserved your shot more than I did, then, since I've no fear of being recognized. ;) I'm sorry.
And I hadn't thought about it before, but I might hypothesize that those of us who viewed ourselves as the perfect fit for the ad might also be more likely to be interested in a job at a school like CC. Here I was thinking the competition might be slightly less stiff for such a specialized position, when it may well have been that we all *wanted* that one more intensely than usual and thus poured more into our applications.
But of course, it's an empirical question...
Good luck to you! (I admit that I reserve most of my best wishes for fellow qualitative and micro folks.)
Re: the Temple Med Soc shortlist -- can the person who was shortlisted tell us how you heard (email, phone call, letter)?
Have people received the Stanford rejection letters yet? When were they mailed?
Please keep your ears to the ground regarding that UCLA Soc/Center for Society and Genetics job. It's an open rank search. There's probably not a ton of people applying, so if you hear something, please post about it. My guess is that a very senior person will probably get the job and thus, I will not hear about it directly, if anonymously, here. The deadline was Oct 01.
Thanks.
For those of you who are gutted about Colorado College (or NYU, or any of the departments who have made short lists or scheduled interviews), one of my advisors made an important comment. Just because a place has scheduled interviews doesn't mean we should cross them off our list. They might not like any of the candidates they flew out and may dip back into the pool of applicants to bring out more. Don't count yourself out until you get a letter saying to count yourself out! Hang in there, fellow seekers. This is a marathon - not a sprint.
5:12 -- My advisor had the exact same advice. It ain't over until the contracts are all signed.
More sympathizing with the Colorado College people. Sometimes I want to call schools and say "but I'm perfect for you!!" I've been warned that such an act would betray my desperation though.
I'm an ABD. I'll have 3 chapters done by the end of this semester. This is not a soft year for me though - I hit the market hard.
Belmont has scheduled at least one phone interview. (not me)
-Benny
Exactly. It ain't over til someone signs the contract. I was out last year (softly then, hardcore now, ABD on 2nd draft of diss.), and got an invite for one of the jobs many that I applied to, but the process stretched out for additional months after that because the committee reached back into the pool and invited a couple more candidates. So unless you've received a rejection letter...it ain't over til it's over!
I also had a friend who got an offer in late spring when the department was able to squeeze another line out of the Dean...you just never know!
Thanks, that's encouraging.
Re the Temple (med soc) short list. I didn't leave the "X", but their department was scheduled to meet today (10/17/07) to determine candidates to invite for interview. Going in to that meeting, they had a list of about a dozen "finalists". Hang in there.
I was going to update the Wiki to reflect some news I received, but it appears that the shortlist, request for more materials and phonelist sections are all "currently being edited by someone else" so they can't be changed - is someone really updating them, or did someone not save the last changes made? (BTW, my news is that I got an email from Loyola-Chicago requesting more materials and a phone interview because I'm on the shortlist there.)
Just wait a few minutes and the person editing will save their changes (or their cookie will expire)
-karl
It's still frozen...looks like technical difficulties.
Could somebody jam it up permanently to keep people from posting?
That would be constructive.
Hopefully those who have news will continue to post it here until the wiki problem is solved. Jamming the wiki wouldn't really prevent the flow of information, just annoy us by making the news less organized.
Unfortunately, I know that a lot of people participate in updating the wiki but wouldn't come near this blog.
I'm not having any problems accessing it. Maybe it's fixed.
I see that Santa Clara is scheduling phone interviews. Oh well. I thought I was a perfect fit. However, I admit that at the ASA interview, the Chair seemed to like me while the new asst prof who was with her seemed bent on trying to make me look stupid. I guess hu succeeded.
2:58: Why is that? This blog is far more informative than the wiki...in my opinion.
3:10 -- there are at least two reasons.
1. there is more to wade through here, and that takes time.
2. while talking to friends can be healthy, the panic and despair sometims become cumulative in anonymous settings like this.
...but this isn't really a discussion for the status thread.
Anyone heard anything about USC's timeline? The deadline is coming up and I wonder if they're reviewing applications as they go or will only start reviewing next week.
NC State is meeting next week to vote for their top 3.
I heard that Iowa State will decide on their top 3 very soon and schedule interviews for Nov.
Someone added Iowa State to the wiki as scheduling phone interviews, but there are no Xs next to it? Did someone from the school post it, or did someone who applied there actually get a call from them?
Does anybody have news about SUNY Albany? Riverside? Only asking coz someone had posted about them earlier...
Anyone have any news from UT San Antonio? Their deadline was a month ago.
University at Buffalo SUNY is meeting next week to pick their final candidates to interview, too.
How long is Stanford's long list?
Awhile ago someone said IUP had done a phone interview. Has that happened? Have they scheduled others? Are they moving ahead?
Thank you!
A while back (two days ago?) someone asked about who is looking for jobs...if only 70 people read the Wiki but some jobs get over 200 applicants. I've never met a job seeker who even knows about the Wiki. The job applicants I have seen include everyone from 'I've just defended my proposal' folks, barely ABDS, to 'I have my degree in a different field, and I have tenure at X University, but I really want to move to a new school.' Some applicants are wholly unqualified (only have a MA and are not getting a PhD imminently) or have been out on the market for years and have no publications, no professionalization, and no concept of what a tenure track job would actually entail. When you get to the part of the pool where there are qualified candidates, it's tougher to see exactly who wouldn't work for the position, but SCs are looking for only one thing to use to disqualify you.
7:11, you sound like you have some experience on search committees. What are examples "one thing" that would disqualified applicants who still seem like they would fit (and made it to a list of top 20 for example). Thanks!
thanks for posting this! i had assumed that any opening that received 200 applications was looking at 200 candidates who were late-stage ABD or Phd in sociology with some kind of publications.
it makes me feel a lot better to know that at least some applicants aren't really qualified.
this is very true...many applicants are not qualified. i've been on several searches (3 in recent years), and from those experiences, i'd estimate roughly 15% of applicants aren't even close to being qualified. they've been ABD for 15 years (with no intentions to finish), only have MAs, have degrees in other disciplines, etc. of those who have decent credentials, probably another 15% don't have the appropriate specialization asked for in the ad. sure their letter tries to frame them as being in the field, but their pubs and presentations clearly locate them in other specialties. as you can see, that rules out LOADS of applicants. this all takes place before we even consider which dept they come from...
Does anyone reading this have any idea how many apps Willamette received? Or similar SCs, for that matter?
Did a lot of people have the UCSF medical job ad mailed to them along with a letter? Anybody know why that happened? I'd love to apply for that job, but I don't meet the stated requirements.
I also got the UCSF posting + letter. I am also not qualified for the job. It is not my area at all. I have no idea how they got my address. I use my university address on my CV and the letter came to my home. The only place I can think they might have gotten mine is from PAA.
Hey all,
Would the person who listed Eckerd on the wiki be willing to share how they know they are on the "short list"? Did you get something in the mail, an email? Were you invited for a phone interview or an on-campus interview? Looks like I am in for another bummer of a day ...
5:11, Sorry, Eckerd has started to schedule interviews - by phone. I feel your pain.
To clarify (last post), Eckerd is scheduling on-campus interviews, and they are doing it by phone.
To the person who posted a second 'interview' X for University of Kentucky - Were you just recently contacted, or were you contacted a while back? I'm just wondering if UK has scheduled all of their first round interviews, or if they're being scheduled incrementally.
UKY is interviewing the week of Oct. 15th through the week of Nov. 5th.
For those of you who have experience on search committees, how common is it for a school to not like any of the 3-4 candidates they initially bring in for an interview and/or have none of the 3-4 candidate accept the offer? Since I have been in grad school, this has never happened in my department (top 25). Everyone on this blog keeps saying not to give up hope and that this is a long process. But, if the school already has their top 4, and statistics show us that one of those four almost always gets hired, then I would say we need to be more realistic about our hopes. Just wondering what experiences people have had with this. Thanks!
I'm at a top 5, and there have been at least 3 instances where I remember the top choices getting jobs elsewhere and the department invited a couple more people or when went with someone lower on the list from the invitees.
I know from personal experience too that sometimes search committees have issues with those they invite and dip back into the pool, so keep the faith.
I am also at a Top-5 and to my knowledge we have not brought in more people after the initial 2-3 interviews. We've had cases in which an offer was rejected, but the department either extends the offer to one of the other people who interviewed or closes the position without hiring anyone.
I concur with 7:45am. It is pretty rare (I can't remember ever seeing places dip back into the pool). I certainly wouldn't hold out hope for a place that has already scheduled interviews.
I think the place to hold out hope is if you interview, but aren't the top pick--because at that point, your odds are still decent that they will be turned down.
I'm at a top 5 and for the past 2 yrs we had to dip back into the pool either because we brought in superstars that went elsewhere or because the superstars bombed. In the past years, several of our students got interviews that led to jobs at top-5 departments in late Jan/Feb because their first round candidates fell through. I don't know how common this is but it does not seem uncommon to me.
Hi everyone- I have a request and a reminder. Those of you who are interested in, and hearing from smaller schools, please do post news here and on the wiki. I got the great news of a phone interview the other day, but I was reluctant to post it on the wiki until someone else mentioned the school here. I was reluctant to post because it is a small school that many people may not have heard of- it certainly isn’t a big-name-R1 school.
Not all of us are “super stars”, nor are we all looking to have jobs at big-name-R1s- or even R2s. But our job searches are just as important to us. So, those of you in this same boat- Please don’t refrain from posting your news and questions too!
In the last few days, this has begun to happen more (yay!, although it does mean negative news for me, its helpful to know).
Thanks!!
8:22 - I ask all the time about small schools and wonder why the rest of you aren't posting! There are 5 Xes on Willamette phone interview list, but no conversation here. There are people here dying to hear about the smaller schools, me included.
So...after all that...you didn't tell us where you got the phone interview! Was it Willamette? Congratulations, in any case!
I see that Cornell is listed as having scheduled interviews. Where did this information come from? There are no Xs listed, so I assume this is someone who is affiliated with the search committee or has some other form of inside info...? If so, any news on when the interviewees will be informed?
Folks will emerge from the midst with info when they are ready. I know I waited a week to put down my "X" for a phone interview because I was worried what the search committee might think if they knew that I went and blabbed asap.
Once people make it to the top 10-20, they might worry about outing themselves.
It's a shame that we have to keep our cards close to our vest (for instance, I'd love to tell the SC that I talked with that I would *LOVE* to work there), but that is the way it goes with negotiations. I might get a better offer somewhere else. Or, I may not like their offer and stay in grad school for another year.
In any event, it's a small world, and everyone is worried about divulging too much info.
-karl
"emerge from the _midst_"
I don't know where that came from... probably just a Freudian slip..
-karl
What I'm really after is whether the person who posted that is someone is a fellow job-seeker who is just waiting to "emerge from the midst," as you so poetically put it, or if they are just a kind SC member who is sympathetic to our insatiable need for data. If no one responds to my query, I'll assume the former.
it could also be that someone with insider knowledge who is not a candidate nor a SC member updated the Wiki.
I see what you're saying.
As I understand it, the first person who schedules an interview just puts the name of the school in the appropriate category. And then, as more people schedule interviews, they add their "X" next to the school. So, a school name with one "X" actually signifies two people.
However, just because I operate by these rules, does not mean that others do.
....receding into the midst
-karl
can somebody clarify what additional materials greensboro asked.
and also how come that washington state is scheduling interviews, I thought their review will start on Oct., 20. at least that is what they say on the ad.
uh oh. I thought that the school name was knowledge, and the X was if you were one of the people contacted. So I added a school name with an X when I scheduled an interview.
Greensboro - teaching evals. (Noted above if use "find".)
9:51: The Washington State interviews is for the Pullman campus; the position you are referring to is either the Tri Cities or Tacoma.
thanks guys!
ditto 9:51
I am with 9:51 and 10:08 on the Xs
has anyone know a case in which a person with a PhD from abroad is hired in R1, R2 or other schools?
yes, absolutely. i'm at a top 10 and we have several people in the dept who got their phds in other countries.
I also concur with 9:51. That way, if you hear about someone else getting an interview somewhere, you can put the place on the list. Then, anyone who actually has one themselves can add the X. That should increase the flow of information.
According the Wiki, Oregon has scheduled interviews. Was it for the open position or the race/ethnicty position? Thanks!
I also just saw the Oregon posting on wiki too. I am almost convinced that I will not have a successful job search this year.
"if you hear about someone else getting an interview somewhere, you can put the place on the list. Then, anyone who actually has one themselves can add the X."
okay with me.
-karl
Re: 10/18/07 7:07-8:14 AM about whether schools only look at their top 3 or 4 and not further down the list.
Keep in mind that like other markets, the academic job market in practice does not always operate rationally. A search is an enormous task, and Depts and SCs are often stretched to their limits in managing everything involved.
Example 1: One year I received a rejection letter from a top 5 R1. OK, but I had never applied there.
Example 2: In a different year when I WAS on the market, around November I received a rejection letter from School A. Then, the following January I was invited to inteview at School A. By February they'd made me a firm offer.
Having seen searches operating from the inside, SCs, faculty and candidates can be capricious. Depts reject candidates for all kinds of reasons that may be unrelated to ability or fit. And "star" candidates may withdraw from consideration at schools when they get more nibbles from "better" schools. (In fact, the sooner you withdraw, the better. Some depts get stuck with plane fares for no-show candidates. Like elephants, faculty have long memories of such ill treatment!)
Depts usually won't endlessly interview down their long list of candidates, simply because interviews are expensive (in time and $). But depts may have some more leeway if they're filling multiple positions.
Did the person who posted the UConn position on the wiki get contacted or did they have inside information?
"Example 1: One year I received a rejection letter from a top 5 R1. OK, but I had never applied there."
That is f**king hilarious. How on earth did that happen. I wonder... were you thinking about applying and then the letter was sent in effect saying 'don't even think about it'. Or perhaps (in time for Halloween) you had a doppleganger...
Last year I had a friend who received an email from a place she had not applied, that read:
Please send the following missing items immediately so that we may review your file:
CV
Letters of Recommendation (3)
Research Statement
Teaching Philosophy Statement
Writing Samples (2)
She was missing everything! So why did they think she had applied?!! It was so bizarre.
re: Suny albany. Crim or Globalization? Please please try and be as specific as possible!
Does anyone know what's happening with Bowdoin?
Hey all,
Sorry if this is a repeat post (It doesn't seem that my earlier post appeared and now I have a screaming toddler on my leg so I can't really double-check). I am curious about the U of Minnesota post on the Wiki. I received an email from them asking for any addl mats to support my application, but I read it as a form email (to begin with, it read "Dear Applicant"). It seems, however, that others are reading the correspondence differently. Any thoughts on which read is correct?
The letter I got from Oregon says they plan to contact finalists on or around October 25, conduct interviews before Thanksgiving, and complete the search before winter break.
They also wrote that "if your calendar is filling up with invitations to visit different departments, please let me know."
2:06 -
I took it as a standard form letter to let me know that I was free to send them as much stuff as I wanted.
It seems we still lack consensus on UOregon. (A) Which position is at the interview stage? (B) What are we to make of the recent letter they sent saying that finalists would be notified on or around 10/25? Thanks.
I don't know what positions Oregon had open, but I'm the one who got the letter saying they would short-list around Oct. 25. The position I had applied for was open.
Albany-- I'm guessing is the Crim one (this is not a Soc Department hire, it is a CJ hire). They have job talks scheduled.
The Albany Soc (global/comp) is still being sorted out *I think.*
For those interested in Stanford's rejection letters- I just received one and it was mailed on the 16th. I hope that helps!
Minnesota sent a generic email telling applicants that they could add supplements to their file before October 22, such as additional writing samples.
What some people on another thread are trying to figure out is if EVERYONE who applied got this email or if it is a request for more from those they are interested in.
In there anyone who applied to the Minnesota RACE/ETHNICITY/MIGRATION job who did NOT get this email today?
Did a phone interview recently...odd experience to say the least. It went fine, I think, but who really knows. How is everyone else's phone interviews going?
I don't know how you all feel, but this blog is making the market seem even harder and more emotional taxing because some information just seems so unreliable. Yet it's hard not to keep checking! I propose the following: since some people suggested that the threads are not as followed as the wiki, let's flag on the wiki the positions for which there is high uncertainty with a !. Then we add a line to the wiki begging whoever has been contacted to put an X to confirm that people are actually been contacted/interviewed etc. Too complicated?
4:38...sounds good to me. I am suprised at Iowa State for one given that I have been in contact with someone on the search committee and said person told me that they would not start contacting people for a couple of weeks. Anyone who has info to the contrary, please spill...
Hey. My colleague was contacted for an Iowa State phone interview. I'm the one who added it to the Wiki (but did not add an X).
Someone on the blog posted that all candidates from NYU were contacted and yet only 1 X on interviews. Same of Indiana Bloomington. Chicago has had two X's for weeks now. And none for Cornell.
I still wonder if all short-listed candidates are all contacted at once or schools are doing a few at a time--i.e. moving on the super-stars first and then moving down the list...
Hi 4:40. thanks for the Iowa State post. Do you mind saying whether your colleague is ABD, already has an Asst. Prof position or did a post doc?
It seems like all the people who got the form letter from Oregon (saying that they'd contact finalists around Oct.25) applied to the open position. Did anyone apply to the race/ethnic position and get a letter? Did it say anything different?
4:54; 4:40 here--sorry, I'd rather not say--I don't know how many people are having phone interviews; it might give the person away.
just an FYI, regarding the "why so many applications, not so many people marking off the Wiki" question from earlier: I've heard from several folks (in different departments, mind you) that they don't check/participate in the blog, even though they know about it, because it is an "added stress to an already incredibly stressful process" (paraphrasing :)). So anecdotal info for you all (I'll be on the market next year, not this year), but hopefully helpful to explain the discrepancy in numbers.
for what it is worth, i find the blog emotionally helpful and supportive. thanks to everyone who posts.
About two weeks ago Michigan State requested letters from some applicants for their Quant Methods position. Does anyone know what their timeline for this one looks like?
4:48, I can confirm that one of the schools you mentioned has only scheduled one interview (with the top choice candidate).
I applied to the Minnesota migration job, and didn't get an e-mail about adding materials until the 22nd. Did people who received the e-mail already e-mail them evidence of teaching effectiveness and/or are you sure all your letters have arrived?
8:07,
Wow. Thank you for sharing. That's really interesting!
I was the one who posted on wiki about Minnesota asking for more materials. I had the impression that it was a form letter, but had similar thoughts to 3:55 in another thread and that's why I added it on wiki. Sorry about the confusion, folks! I've added "FORM LETTER" there to clarify, but if you think it would be less confusing to just delete it, please do!
apropos to 6:02... i followed this blog and the wiki last year. i have to say that this year there is a much higher degree of probing for information (and policing in reaction), only to produce slightly more unrealiable data from which to draw conclusions that diminish the 'help and support' and churn up the stress. the wiki-only approach is beoming more desirable. in the end, they either call or they don't, regardless of blogs and wikis!
quick question: if the person who updated the wiki could clarify, is the George Mason STS job listed as asking for more information the New Media/Cultural Studies job with a Nov. 12 deadline? Or is there a different STS job there (that I apparently missed)?
I took the ! off the wiki for SUNY Albany (comparative) because I can confirm that they do have a short list and have started scheduling interviews. As for the CJ position, they have also started scheduling interviews. They are bringing one candidate in for a job talk on Monday.
7:14 Thank you so much!
I know a lot of us worry about the accuracy of blog info. For the most part I think its reasonably accurate, just off by a day or two sometimes. One thing I will say regarding the Oregon job which now has a ! next to it on the 'scheduling interviews' list: I suspect that Oregon was moved onto the list after someone got the form letter that all applicants received, and then mis-interpreted it. This form letter was exhaustively discussed above in this thread. I think that problems arise at times because some people only read the blog intermittedly and then don't have full info when they report things. Not sure what to do about this, except to ask that people are careful and specific (when possible) in their contributions.
I followed the blog and wiki last year also. While I derived morepersonal enjoyment from enjoyed last year's, I'm finding this one more helpful practically, precisely becuase of the focus on information-sharing, however unreliable it is.
I concur with 7:43!
I can't answer the question about the Minnesota job. I'm too busy convincing myself that I could still be in the running even though I didn't get one of those emails.
Any specifics on Akron or U Conn?
Any news on IUP?
I think we are generally friendly.
We are a needy bunch ("have you heard about....?"), but we mean well.
Some folks are turned off by the policing, but I think it is pretty mild. Don't name names, don't demand, and don't snap at folks, and you'll get along fine here.
We may complain about the accuracy of the available data, but there are so few other alternatives, what are we going to do? Our dataset is being collected by others, and we are trying to analyze it the best we can.
how's that for a pep talk?
-karl
8;53--From an insider, I heard Akron made a long-short list (not sure how long though).
7:00am, re: George Mason. On the Soc wiki, that job is marked "STS" but it is the New Media/Culture job to which you are referring to.
The same info is listed here on this Wiki:
http://wikihost.org/wikis/academe/wiki/history_of_science_technology_medicine_2007-2008
I think the policy of having only the person who has an interview (or who has been asked for more materials, etc.) put an X on the wiki is a little counterproductive. I think people are afraid of outing themselves as blabbers. What if we changed the policy so that you didn't have to be the very person asked, but you could put an X for someone else based on knowledge? I'd prefer over-reporting to under-reporting. Also, it would provide more confidence that the information is right. For example, if someone were to put an X for Oregon right now, we'd have much more confidence in the accuracy of the report that interviews have been scheduled. What do you all think?
I am with you. In any case, schools tend to schedule all the interviews all at once, which makes the number of interviews reported on the wiki kind of irrelevant.
OK, this is going to start getting ridiculous, but what if you put a "Y" if you hear the information about a friend; and an "X" if it's you?!
10:41- that defeats the whole purpose of somebody not wanting to out themselves. I agree that the number of Xs doesnt matter. Once one X is there, you know interviews have been scheduled. Thats all we really need to know to cross that place off our list.
Akron? Sad, I thought I fit well there.
I do not find the X's helpful. It doesn't matter to me whether a short-list has 3 names on it or 30 - only whether it has my name on it! So if I see a school listed on the wiki and I applied there and I haven't heard anything, I assume my name's not on their list.
Although really, I can assume that I'm everyone's first pick and they're all just waiting for me to get nervous so they can low-ball their offer. Nothing I guess is going to change anything and none of us really know anything at all until we hear from a school personally or the school hires someone and that information becomes public.
what if there was another way of giving information? for example, i'm at a hiring school and know for a fact that X people are scheduled to come talk (department email) but no one has "X"ed themselves on the sheet. i'm not going to put "X"s down for people but could info people know on the side be added in brackets?
Example:
University of Job: (3 invited)
10:53--Hang in there. It looks like Akron didn't contacted candidates yet.
I like 10:54's idea. I will add info for my school on the wiki if others will as well.
Got my Stanford reject letter. 225 apps received. Yikes!
-karl
I added ! to Concordia because it's been unclear whether that was simply the form letter that all applicants received or not.
If anyone has received more than the form letter, simply remove the !
Anyone know whether UConn has notified people that they are on the long-short list?
How did we exactly resolve the confusion that there are schools listed under "scheduled interviews" with no Xs whatsoever (albany, oregon, rice etc.)?
How do we really now that this information is accurate?
We don't. They were most likely posted by someone with inside knowledge (faculty or student at that school?) or by someone with a friend who got notified. If it's inside knowledge - a school may have a long short list, but the people on it may have no idea.
Don't totally write off a school until you get rejected from them, but the wiki is still pretty helpful in adjusting expectations.
In my POV, I don't despair until the school goes up under 'scheduled interviews.' I see very few circumstances under which that information could be erroneous, other than malicious intent, which I doubt. The rest, though, short lists and such, who knows about that, for the reasons the above poster gives.
p.s. my friend got an interview at Rice, and I'm the one who put it on the wiki. I don't know if she/he checks the wiki or these blogs.
SUNY Albany does have job talks for the global position posted in the department. The first one is invited in next week.
I heard that university of chicago is probably going to contact people gradually and not bring everyone out at once. They did have multiple positions.
How many talks at SUNY-Albany? What is the average number of flyouts?
there are 4 talks scheduled for albany.
thanks for the albany info
Re: October 18, 2007 9:26 PM; Minnesota
The email explicitly invited the submission of additional material, "especially additional writing samples." It was NOT a request for the required teaching material or letters, which they indicated they already received.
3:10,
I know for a fact that there are 4 junior job talks at Chicago this month. Is that gradual? Maybe we just use the word differently...
7:40,
There are multiple opening for Chicago (up to 4 open positions). So it is possible that they are gradually trying to interview people for each of those positions. There might even be different search committees, each looking into a particular area. So 4 scheduled interviews is not necessarily contradictory to 3:10's post.
Can we please just remove "Biola" from the wiki. I'm tired of looking at that god-forsaken cross between bile and ebola.
should the whole academic thing not work out, you have no future in comedy. try the 'things to do to pass the time' string...
Any additional info on U Mass Amherst? I saw on the Wiki that they've scheduled interviews-- anyone know if they are doing it gradually (since they have multiple positions).
In support of 7:40: Chicago does *not* have multiple search committees, and they are not just evaluating people for one position at a time. It's an open search. So, my sense is that if they like the first four interviewees, they'll fill their (assistant) positions from that initial pool.
Thanks for the useful information about Chicago. I think it's also helpful to keep in mind that if they really want to fill all four spots, they'll be scheduling more interviews. It's highly likely that the first four people they're interviewing will have choices and preferences that lead them elsewhere.
Sorry - I meant that *a couple* of the four people they interview might go elsewhere.
anyone heard about the status of the dartmouth search?
Dartmouth's deadline was a month ago. I've just assumed they've contacted some folks (not me). To tell the truth, I'd rather _not_ know the status of that search. Too depressing.
-karl
So...what's up with Amherst? I see that it's been removed from the interviews list on the wiki. Maybe whoever put it on and/or took it off can explain? It's making me wonder (and hope!) about the status of some of the other schools that are reported to have scheduled interviews.
11:06: Amherst is still on the scheduled interview list. It is listed as UMass@Amherst.
for the record, i thought 12:24's biola comment WAS funny. thanks for the laugh.
Has anyone heard anything about the Oberlin search?
I have a question regarding anonymity. Isn't it possible to figure out the IP address of people who posted? If so, can't people figure out the university or town that you are posting from?
it is possible to figure out IP addresses of folks who posted to the wiki, but it is hard.
Currently, I can see the different wiki "history" for each version (not sure if others can). That makes it tougher.
Again, not impossible, but you would have to be pretty motivated to track down which ip made which addition (or subtraction) to the wiki.
-karl
woops, I *cannot* see past revisions...
-k
Has anyone heard anything from Ursinus? It's quite a small school so I'm wondering if anything will get posted on the wiki. Thanks!
I saw that UNC-Wilmington had scheduled phone interviews.
Two questions:
1) Is it the crim or open position?
2) There is no "X" next to the post, so is this information posted by someone other than the person being interviewed?
Was the post here last week about Cornell rejection letters aboutthe demography position in Policy Analysis and Management?
On the issue of "interviews scheduled": several years ago I got a call from a SLAC - they said they were unhappy about the choice they were facing from among the people they had interviewed, and they wanted me to get on a plane *the next day* and come out for an interview. (This was to be a cross-country flight.) I doubt this happens very often, but it does show that "interviews scheduled" is not always the end of the matter for those of you who haven't heard.
In the end, I didn't get the job - it worked out they were happy with (only) one already interviewed person, but they didn't want to be "forced" into hiring him, they wanted to be able to make an active choice. I was bummed - I went out there with the impression that the job was mine as long as I didn't bomb.
Anyway, the other lesson is, don't wait to prepare your job talk until you have an invitation.
In re: Wilmington. They didn't say, but I'm a crim person, so I'll bet it's crim. As for the X, I'll admit being confused about these. I was operating under the assumption that being the first to list a department was equivalent to an X, and that seeing one X next to a name meant two people had been contacted...
I've also been contacted by Wilmington, and I am not a crim person. So they are probably pursuing both lines at the same time. I'll go put my X now.
-Benny
I'm also a non-crim who is scheduling a phone interview at UNCW. Strange - they didn't give me an interview at the ASA, and I almost didn't send my materials.
Pat on the back to the people interviewing with UNC-W. They were my top choice.
Does anyone have a sense of the number of junior versus senior applicants on Maryland's long short list?
No,
But I am ABD
And if I am counting correctly, I am the fourth person who has a phone interview with UNCW. I am a non-crim person as well. Good luck all!
A general question--do schools always notify candidates on their short lists (or "long-short" lists as the case may be), especially under circumstances where extra materials are NOT needed?
Nope--we had 25 on our long-short-list, and only some of them were notified (those missing letters). Then we had 10 on the short list and they weren't notified, either. Just the 3 we're bringing in.
I'm not sure if it's better to know that you got close; or not to know at all--??
6:23 actually, I would like to know, it would help my badly damaged ego that some top dpt considered me seriously.
Can we please stop using the term "superstar"? It's really gross.
If you have any question about the competition we are up against this year, check out UPenn's line up of faculty job candidate talks (talks scheduled starting late Oct-Nov.). They have only call in advanced Assist Profs. who've been out of school for 5-6 yrs. It is a bit disheartening when you realize that's who we're coming up against.
are you sure those are all job talks? isn't it also a seminar series?
Start Oct 31, they are job talks.
Keep in mind Penn has more than one position. Demography is open rank. To me, these people look like demographers.
At Penn, it looks like there are only two job talks scheduled into the colloquium so far; one of them is clearly for the demography position and the other one looks like it's for the race/family/culture position. Last year the search in Demography was limited to Associates even though the search was listed as "open rank".
Wasn't the Penn deadline supposed to be 10/31? Isn't it exceedingly unethical to not only notify candidates but to schedule interviews to be held before your deadline has passed?
Where do you see these Penn talks? Please post a link.
I don't think it's unethical at all. It would be problematic if they gave an offer, but not to narrow the field before the closing date. It happens all the time. Once again, get your applications in early. My advisor said the first week of September for all of them, regardless of the closing date. That's turned out to have been invaluable advice.
On the Penn sociology colloquium website, two dates used to read "faculty job candidates" and now have names attached. Penn also began scheduling interviews before the closing date last year; I don't think that they have candidates in mind, but they have very clear ideas of the subject areas that they are looking for.
Anyone else receive (along with affirmative action card) a 'waiver of right of access to letters of recommendation' form to fill out?
Not to scare people, but I just had a "narrowing the shortlist down to three people" phone interview, and the faculty member I spoke with said that one of the other candidates already had an OFFER from somewhere else. Yikes! (However, the faculty member also said that the school's doing two searches (in different subfields), and they haven't even started looking at applicants for the second search yet...)
11:17...
Yes
11:39 --
first of all, congratulations! But this is actually good news for everyone, the market is only going to open up once the top candidates make their picks!
Hi. Someone moved NC State to the scheduled interview list. Does anyone know more about this?
11:39, was the interview with UNC-Wilmington?
NC State is listed as having a short list, not as having scheduled interviews. They are voting on who to bring in for interviews this week.
1:30. I am guessing that the people on the short list are only those from whom NC State requested more materials. Is this correct?
Anyone know anything about UMass-Amherst. The wiki says they have scheduled interviews, but there are no Xs. Given that they are hiring for up to four positions, I would expect to see some Xs if they have really scheduled interviews.
1.34--
there are 3 reasons that can explain why there no X's after Umass@Amherst. (1) none of the people scheduled for interviews wants post this information;
(2) none of the people scheduled for interviews reads the blog
(3) the information on the wiki is wrong.
I think we can reasonably reject case 3, since that will seem too cruel to be true.
Does it really make a difference to know why the X's are not there? What kind of reliability this blog is supposed to have? That is, how should we use the information the blog gives not for commiserating ourselves but for having a sense of what is going on in the market?
I don't think that is the case with NC State. I know two people who were
asked for more materials (writing samples). One was emailed and told they were on the shortlist/asked if they were still interested and the other hasn't heard anything else.
Any news on Riverside?
1:29 -
no, my phone interview wasn't with UNC-Wilmington.
- 11:39
UNC Wilmington got ~215 applications. The phone interviews seem to be primarily a way to get more "basic" info from candidates. i.e. they asked to have the rec letters sent. Given that, I imagine they have a long-short list. They are planning to move onto the next phase of the search at the end of November, so hold tight.
Re: Penn
If you look at the website now, it clearly states who is an invited candidate. One of them is an ABD who looks like he would fit the race/culture/family job [and writes about pigeons!], so it seems they have moved before their deadline even passed!
Regarding UNC-Wilmington, the email I got said that they have settled on a smaller pool of applicants for both of their positions. They have one crim and one open. Is there a way we could split it up on the wiki to identify which people are phone-interviewing for which position. Obviously if you have a crim concentration, you would be interviewing for the crim job, and if you don't, you would be interviewing for the open position. I wont make any changes unless others agree.
I took University of Oregon off the wiki. I messaged a friend there and s/he says that they are still working on a shortlist. From that, I would imagine the information in the letters sent to applicants is correct and we should see some stuff later this week (Oct 25ish?)
3:31- i think that is a good idea to separate the different jobs
4:31 and others...I separated UNC Wilmington. All of the Xs are under the open position right now. Anyone who thinks they are interviewing for the crim job, please change your X to the crim listing. I am interviewing for the open position.
Anyone want to speculate about how Oregon made it onto the wiki erroneously? Is someone really so confused? Or malicious?
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